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Re: Philosophy

Post by Mr. Fountain on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:16 pm

I read that Rand had an affinity for Neitzsche earlier in her life but then began to vehemently hate and despise his ideas. D'awww.

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Re: Philosophy

Post by Mr. Fountain on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:28 pm

Okay, the wiki on this seems kind of scattered, so I'll just ask Thade. Give me a rundown on the Übermensch. Explain it in as much detail as possible. XD

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Post by Thade on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:51 pm

Alright.  So, basically, the ubermensch defines his own values.  That is the most basic summary you're going to get.  In TSZ, Nietzsche goes on and on about how its some sort of higher being.  But that's just metaphorical.  Neitzsche stated that ubermensch (what's the plural of this?) or people close to it already existed.  He named people like Beethoven and Goethe as examples.  
But I'm getting ahead of myself.  First we must understand why the ubermensch must exist.  You've heard the expression 'god is dead' in relation to Nietzsche, but that meant simply that we can no longer use god as a basis for morality.  The problem with this arrives when we come to realize that if god is no longer a source of morality, what the fuck do we do?   'In a world without God, everything is permitted' Dostoevsky said.  So we need to find a source of morals or society will descend into nihilism, which to Nietzsche was really bad.  The overman, or ubermensch, is the solution to nihilism, as a creator of values.

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Now this is just lightly brushing the surface of Nietzsche's philosophy, but I'm not fantastic at explaining and I'm tired.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Fi Skirata on Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:57 pm

Thade, you legitimately sound like a scholar, and that was a really helpful explanation. Thank you.

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Re: Philosophy

Post by Mr. Fountain on Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:15 pm

Thank you, that was incredibly helpful. Very Happy

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Re: Philosophy

Post by ghosty on Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:28 am

I had always seen Rand as an Aristotelian thinker. I feel like I've seen her actually mention that, but I can't remember a source for it. Though, in all honesty, I think Rand's ethical theories can be defined as consequentialism which is kind of at odds with Virtue Ethics and it's focus on action as a moral fulcrum?

I don't know, I've always been terrible with philosophical logic, haha.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Fi Skirata on Fri May 08, 2015 10:17 pm

I have no idea what that even is.

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Re: Philosophy

Post by Fi Skirata on Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:27 pm

Bump.

Fountain and I stayed up for about 3 hours a few months ago arguing about Ayn Rand and I finally found out I fucking hate her. You guys did it. You convinced me she's terrible. Congrats.

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Re: Philosophy

Post by Mr. Fountain on Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:33 pm

Well, you just started researching her and did that yourself. XD

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Re: Philosophy

Post by Fi Skirata on Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:49 pm

To be fair, I researched her because slightly younger and more starry eyed me fully aligned with her beliefs, and I could never understand why anyone would have a problem with her.

Adult commu-anarchist me says she's not too smart.

Though, to be fair, Rand tried to explain to people that her fictional novels were not indicative of her actual beliefs and were sort of self parodying, and no one listened. So I hold that she's not entirely horrible. Just.... stupid.

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