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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:14 pm

I know Russell more for his analytic stuff, personally. Principia Mathematica attempted to find a logical basis for math as a whole. Quite the endeavor in my opinion.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:06 pm

I envy your knowledge of trivial things.
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:07 pm

Don't. Because of it I have no life. I'm always 'that guy' at parties.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:09 pm

Ha! Parties.
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:12 pm

I went to four my freshman year and I guess word got around because I haven't been to one since.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:19 pm

That's depressing. :/
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:24 pm

Aye. Mais c'est la vie.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:55 pm

Mm.

Thoughts on Ayn Rand and objectivism?
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:58 pm

I don't like her. She asserts her opinions as fact, but provides no actual points to support them. She's like a really aggressive and arrogant Max Stirner. Basically, the alt text of this http://xkcd.com/1049/
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:00 pm

Thank you. I agree completely. I take issue with anyone that advocates anarcho-capitalism.
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:03 pm

Plus all her characters are one dimensional mary sues. I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually liked her.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:05 pm

I never read her book. I bought it once simply because I heard that it was the inspiration for BioShock, but once I did some research into the book and the author, I returned it and bought that Art of War collection instead.
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:07 pm

I think Bioshock was showing what would happen if someone actually tried to turn her books into a reality. It would be chaos. I read Atlas Shrugged, and while it contained some smart ideas, there is just no way I can agree with her on anything. And The Art of War is fantastic. Much better than Rand.
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Post by Fi Skirata Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:42 am

Thade wrote:Plus all her characters are one dimensional mary sues.  I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually liked her.  

.... I like Ayn Rand.....
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Post by Mr. Fountain Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:52 am

Mr. Finale wrote:
Thade wrote:Plus all her characters are one dimensional mary sues.  I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually liked her.  

.... I like Ayn Rand.....

And now you must defend your position.
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Post by Fi Skirata Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:13 pm

I don't particularly feel the need to. I mentioned it specifically so I would get lectured about it. My own attempts at studying her don't lead to me finding anything particularly disagreeable, but people nonetheless grow incredibly irate if I even ask, innocently, "What's so bad about her?". So I kind of stopped trying to even learn. I mentioned liking her so you guys would actually break down why her beliefs were evidently so bad XD
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Post by Thade Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:22 pm

She isn't a very good writer. I could forgive all the things I don't like about her philosophy if she was just a little better at creating and developing a story, or characters, or whatever. Plus her philosophy is just Stirner but asserted as undeniable fact.
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Post by Fi Skirata Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:47 pm

Thade wrote:She isn't a very good writer.

That is the most in-character thing you have ever said.
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:53 pm

Is it? I have a character?
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:56 pm

Of course, you're the neurotic book-worm. XD
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:02 pm

...Damn you guys are good.  On the other hand, I don't think I'm that neurotic.  Back to Rand, her ideas are not really implementable on a large scale.  Sure I suppose it's great if you're a CEO or megalomaniac or just someone with low self esteem.  But if everyone acted the assholeish way she seems to advocate, things would not run smoothly at all.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:05 pm

Rand's John Galt sounds a lot like Nietzsche's Übermensch. >_>
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Post by Fi Skirata Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:07 pm

I need to just get off my ass and study these people more. It's something I'm genuinely interested in.
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Post by Mr. Fountain Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:10 pm

I know nothing more than what I read on Wikipedia. But Thade here seems to actually be some sort of scholar and I love him for it. XD
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Post by Thade Wed Feb 18, 2015 7:11 pm

I think Rand was definitely influenced by Nietzsche, but I prefer the Ubermensch's life affirmation to Galt's excessive individualism.  Plus Nietzsche firmly asserted the subjectivity of all things, where as Rand put forth a clearly defined set of moral principals. And I love you too Fountain.
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